Can I take Ayurvedic products after steroid treatment for spinal pain? - #46715

Thanks for quick reply. I have ostikot, yogarag guggulu and mahadhanwantra guliga from Kottakkal prescription, also others kaishore guggulu, trayodasang guggulu from the past Ayurvedic consultations. Will there be any side effects if I take Ayurveda product immediately after 14 days of steroid injection is my concern

Don’t worry and no side effects and avoid meat,spicy,oily, fastfood etc things

Sir, regarding diet you mentioned as below, Diet Give only: moong khichdi + ghee, pomegranate, coconut water Avoid completely: spicy/sour, cold drinks, fried food.

Should I take only moong khichdi + ghee, pomegranate, coconut water for breakfast, dinner and lunch ? Please clarify.

Reg exercise, is vajrasana safe for disc hernia in l4 l5 ?

It means that you can have these but avoid things like Cold bath, packaged food items, excess sugar, long walks, cold water for drinking, sour food items like curd/buttermilk, avoid Paneer/Cheese, freezed items. These things will aggravate Vata (which will cause pain). Eat properly cooked food and drink warm water. Make sure your digestion is proper and avoid constipation. Yes you can do vajrasan post dinner for 4-5 minutes but if you feel pain at lower back, then avoid it.

Okay, avoid Maharasnadi and Use Dashmool Arishta + Bala arishta, You can get them online. 2-2 tsp of both , mix them and add 12 tsp of water, Have ot twice. Use Gandha Taila capsules also 1-0-1. And for massage use Murivenna oil at lower back. Massage gently and do hot fomentation by dipping towel in hot water after massage. You just have to be patient and take medicines. If the pain is severe sometimes, then just have tab diclofenac 25 mg SOS.

Thanks a lot sir. This is my story;

I had gone for panchaboitha treatment three months ago due to avoid progression of disc bulge in lumbar area though major symptoms. I was able to walk without any single pain. It was 15 days therapy. After 10 days of therapy, I had slight difficulty in right walking and neck stiffness. As per Dr, we took MRI that showed disc hernia that I didn’t have before the therapy. Dr suggested steroid injection to alleviate nerve inflammation and to shrink disc het8.

After steroid injection, symptoms got worse. New back pain which I didn’t have before steroid injection, tingling on and off and increased leg weakness while walking I feel more now. My MRI showed disc protrusion in L3 l4 and with slight herniation with nerve compression in foraminal area. Symptom wise, I had slight weakness in right leg walking. But after steroid, more symptoms also in left leg tingling. I am worried if I can come out of the situation. In both the treatment, I got more problem. Not sure what to do. Please let me know if I can come out of this bad situation.

Thank you again. I have taken in the past maharasanadi kashayam . It made my back muscles weak and hurt the buttock when sitting.Also I was given that as part of my previous panchakarma treatment. I took it for two months along with true joint and orthoflex. I stopped all those as I had mood swings/depression and all. I am in Europe so I am not sure if I can get katibasti treatment here. I will check for it. My MRI shows joint effusion in l4 l5 s1. Will it be ok if I take katibasti or ayurvedic herbal oil massage? And any risk of autoimmune flare with the medicines you prescribed?

At this moment, I have with me those Ayurveda medicines I mentioned in original post. Also have lumbaton plus , after I started taking, I got left eye pain and strain , same with ksheerabala 101. I have now , kaishore guggulu, trayodasang guggulu, gantha thailam ( this gives knee pain), lumbaton plus, ostikot, paralava bhasma, mahadhanwantra guliga and yogarag guggulu. All I brought from India based diff prescription just for the safer side to use based on the needs. Oil : Mahanarayana and murivenna I have.

I’m sorry to hear about the challenges you’re facing. What you’re describing sounds like a flare up or progression of nerve compression, possibly from inflammation or positional strain during recovery. The good news is that at your stage recovery is absolutely possible with the right conservative approach.

For the next 2–4 weeks, prioritize complete bed rest with legs elevated (use pillows) for 20–30 minutes 3–4 times a day. No heavy lifting, bending or long sitting/standing. Use a back support belt if walking short distances.

If pain is unbearable, short-term pain management (like mild analgesics) might be needed, but avoid more injections for now.

Ayurvedic medicines safe and effective for your situation. Maharasnadi Kwath – 20 ml + 20 ml warm water, morning empty stomach Yogaraja Guggulu – 2 tablets morning + 2 tablets night after food Dashmoolarishta – 20 ml + 20 ml water after lunch and dinner Ekangveer Ras – 1 tablet morning + 1 tablet night with warm water

If possible then go for Katibasti at your nearby Panchakarma centre for 10 days. It’s basically pooling of oil at the lower back or the effect lumbo-sacral spine. You will find a great improvement. Full recovery is possible in 6–12 months with consistency. Repeat MRI after 3 months to check progress. Stay positive and Feel free to update me on progress.

❌ Medicines I would NOT recommend for you now Because you already reacted: - Lumbaton Plus → eye pain/strain = nervous irritation - Ksheerabala 101 → too penetrating for your nerves - Maharasnadi Kashayam → already reacted - Gantha Tailam → causing knee pain = inflammatory aggravation - Trayodashang Guggulu → very ushna, nerve-aggravating - Mahadhanwantaram Gulika → strong stimulant, can affect mood ➡️ Please do not experiment further with these.

⚠️ Use with EXTREME CAUTION (only if needed) - Yogaraj Guggulu Can help stiffness But can flare inflammation or autoimmunity If at all: Max 1 tab once daily After food Stop immediately if heat, anxiety, pain ↑

✅ Relatively SAFER options (still low dose) - Kishore Guggulu Better than Yogaraj for inflammatory joints Start ½ tablet once daily only Take after lunch with plain warm water Ostikot Generally safe (calcium support) Ok once daily

- Praval Bhasma

Cooling, pitta-shamaka Helps bone + inflammation 125 mg once daily with milk or water

6️⃣ Oil usage — what to do NOW Given your sensitivity:

- Mahanarayana taila Lukewarm only Gentle application on lower back & buttock Once daily, no deep massage No steam afterward If even this causes discomfort → stop.

Tq

Thank you for informing me I understand your concern and I Achilles tendon is not uncommon in your current condition and it does not mean that something irreversible is happening

From an Ayurvedic point of view this pain is a clear sign of Vata aggravation which has been building up over time due to multiple factors together spinal intervention ,steroid injection ,cold climate ,reduced confidence in movement ,altered walking pattern muscle guarding and nervous system sensitivity. When Vata is disturbed like this it often shifts pain to the lower limbs especially tendons and ligaments such as the Achilles tendon

That is why the pain appears when you stand walk for some distance or kneel and why it was earlier on and off but is now more persistent

This does not indicate a tear or structural damage It is a functional inflammatory Vata pain and it is reversible with the right care

You are right in asking for remedies other than just rest because complete rest alone is not the solution At the same time pushing through pain is also not advised What the tendon and nerves need now is warmth support circulation and reassurance

The most important remedy at this stage is local care Twice daily apply warm sesame oil over the back of the ankle and the calf above it Massage softly without pressure in slow upward strokes This is not a deep massage the intention is to calm the nerves and nourish the tendon After oil application apply mild heat using a warm towel or hot water bottle for ten to fifteen minutes if it feels comfortable In a cold climate this warmth is extremely important and itself works like medicine

While walking you may use a soft ankle support or crepe bandage to reduce strain on the tendon This is supportive not harmful when used only during activity Remove it while resting or sleeping Also make sure you are not walking barefoot on cold or hard floors and use cushioned footwear with slight heel support if available

Gentle movement is necessary but it must be within comfort Do not stretch the calf forcefully and do not do aggressive exercises right now You can do very mild ankle movements while sitting or lying down such as slow up and down movements and gentle circles stopping before pain starts This keeps circulation going without aggravation

Avoid kneeling positions that overstretch the ankle for now Avoid long standing uphill walking stairs or sudden increase in walking distance Walk on flat ground slowly and stop as soon as pain increases Pain is a signal to pause not to push

At this stage I do not recommend starting strong internal Ayurvedic medicines for this pain especially since your body has shown sensitivity recently Right now external treatment warmth routine and nourishment are more important than tablets Continuing vitamin D3with K2and vitamin B12 is good and supportive

According to acupressure you can also do the following Using the left hand take the ring finger and middle finger Apply a little oil and gently massage the tip of these fingers up to the first crease Do this lightly for two to three minutes

And later you apply sky blue colour to left hand ring and middle finger 1 st crease like a ring

It will help you in reducing pain

Most importantly please do not worry that this pain means things are getting worse overall after spinal procedures or steroid injections such distal tendon pains appear temporarily and then gradually settle as the nervous system calms down This phase requires patience consistency and gentleness not fear

If you follow the above measures regularly for the next ten to fourteen days the Achilles pain should slowly start reducing Keep observing calmly and update me We will adjust step by step as your body stabilizes You are not doing anything wrong and recovery is still very much possible

Thanks a lot madam for your continuous guidance. This is what it was lacking for me. I feel positive and confident with your support. It gives me rats of hope that I can out of my current condition. Moreover your availability and faster response means a lot. Appreciate your for your great service for the needy people like me.

Thank you for your kind words, I’m truly glad to know that yu r feeling more positive n confident

Thank you madam for the detailed advice. Regarding walking, should I wear lumbar support/belt while walking! I hear different views on that. Some say they are not required as they will weaken the core strength. Some ask to use. Fir around three months I used with very restricted wakj due to that I had muscle weakness and all. Last three weeks I don’t upset it. Should I be in bed rest mostly ? If yes, for how many days ? thanks 🙏 again for the Insights and help. Can I take vitamin B12 and vitamin D3/K2 supplement during this time ? My vitamin D3 was low so I was asked to take weekly dose.

Madam, as I am in Europe with cold climate fir around 7 months, should the diet include non vegetarian food at least lean protein one like fish, prawn , chicken or egg…? Please advice on the diet considering the cold climate here.

Thank you again. Wish you happy New Year madam. I have pain in the right leg ankle. So the acupressure exercise you mentioned, should it be on the right hand middle and right fingers until to the first crease using left hand ,? Please clarify. Regarding external application, I have Murivenna oil. Can I use it instead of sesame Oil? Just wanted to check if it can be effective as I have that oil.

Madam, I meant applying murivenna oil in calf and ankle area where I have archilis tendon pain. Will it be fine ?

Yes yes can you use But massage gently not deeply Do not gv much pressure

You are most welcome and i am glad you reached out again

When it comes to walking the body needs movement to heal but it also needs protection from strain Wearing a lumbar support while walking can help stabilize the area and reduce pain but it should be removed while sleeping or resting to allow the muscles to work and regain strength

Walking supports circulation nourishment of joints and the healing process but at this stage it should remain limited ,Slow walking on flat ground is sufficient The moment pain increases the body is signaling the need to rest Pushing through pain does not speed recovery and often delays it

Complete bed rest for long periods is not advisable Only during episodes of very intense pain should you remain mostly in bed and even then only for a short duration usually a couple of days Prolonged lying down weakens muscles stiffens joints and slows healing The body responds best to a balance of rest and gentle movement Rest when pain increases and once it settles begin moving again slowly

You can safely take vitamin B12 and vitamin D3 along with K2 during this period Low vitamin D affects bones muscles and nerves and correcting it supports recovery A weekly dose of vitamin D as advised is appropriate ,Vitamin B12 helps with nerve strength and overall energy

From an Ayurvedic perspective pain in this area reflects a disturbance of vata ,Vata improves with warmth and regular movement ,a stable routine and proper nourishment Avoid sudden movements bending twisting prolonged sitting and lifting , Keep the body warm choose light n nourishing foods and allow the healing process to unfold gradually

You do not need to push yourself and you also do not need to lie down all day Healing happens through balance Listen to your body move within your limits rest without fear and trust that you are already moving in the right direction

Clear madam. I feel guilty of taking steroid injection though symptom was not severe. Now I am worried about the more symptoms. Will steroid injection slow the natural healing process madam? May be for now, I don’t take any medications except vitamin supplements to allow the body to Stabilize. Between kaishore ang yogaraja guggulu, which one is best Incase I have ayurvedic medicine later after a couple of weeks. Not sure which ayurveda medicine will suit for me as I have seem some side effects with some medicines like maharasanadi kashayam( buttocks pain while sitting ), ksheerabala 101( left eye strain ), lumbaton plus(left eye pain), gantha thailam ( onset of knee pain), yogarag guggulu, I took for one day only, onset of tremor im right hand , same with draksanadi tablet. Now I am thinking, should I try at all with any ayurveda medicine? Any suggestions please on this aspect ? Many thanks for your support madam.

Steroid injections do not permanently slow the natural healing process they can temporarily suppress inflammation and pain but they do not stop the body from healing However repeated or unnecessary steroid use can weaken tissues and affect muscle and joint strength so it is wise to be cautious

At this stage allowing the body to stabilize with gentle movement rest and vitamin supplements is a very good approach ,It gives the digestive system ,nerves and tissues time to recover and reduces the risk of side effects when you start any new medicine

Regarding Ayurvedic medicines Kaishore guggulu and Yogaraj guggulu are both excellent for joint and nerve health but their suitability depends upon your prakriti current vata dosha and sensitivity and some experience side effects with certain formulations especially if there is pitta or vata aggravation and you have already noticed reactions with Maharasanadi Kashayam ,Ksheerabala 101 ,Lumbaton Plus ,Gantha Thailam ,Drakshadi and Yogaraj Guggulu which suggests that your system is currently very sensitive

it is important to start with very mild formulations in small doses under supervision and monitor your response Avoid starting multiple medicines at once and avoid strong guggulus or kashayams initially For example gentle vata nourishing remedies like Dashamoola kwath or mild taila massage with Ksheerabala oil can be started before stronger internal medicines Once your body stabilizes and you have no adverse reactions then slowly you can try small doses of Kaishore guggulu or Yogaraj guggulu like initially 1 tab twice daily after food with warm water

The key is to listen your body start with low dose and not to be discouraged by previous reactions Ayurvedic medicines are safe if chosen carefully and taken in the right dose at the right time with the right diet and lifestyle and patience is very important

Thank you for your kind gesture

since you are living in Europe where the climate remains cold for a long duration the diet does need to give extra warmth nourishment and stability to the body because cold climate continuously aggravates vata dosha and when vata is high pain stiffness nerve sensitivity delayed healing and digestion issues are common

including non vegetarian food is not compulsory but it can be helpful if your digestion allows it and if it makes you feel stronger calmer and more stable after eating

lean protein options are generally better

fish is usually the best option to start with because it is lighter than meat supports nerves and muscles and gives warmth it should be fresh well cooked and taken at lunch with simple spices like ginger cumin pepper garlic and a little oil or ghee avoid fried or cold preparations and avoid fish at night

egg is also a good option in cold climates it is nourishing grounding and easier to digest ,boiled or lightly cooked eggs can be taken in the morning or lunch and help with strength energy and recovery

chicken can be included but preferably as soup or light curry not fried or chicken soup with warming spices is very vata pacifying in cold weather it should not be taken daily two to three times a week is enough and only during daytime

prawn is heavier and more heating and can increase inflammation or pain in sensitive people so it should be taken very occasionally or avoided if you notice joint pain burning sensation heaviness or stiffness after it

non vegetarian food should always be taken fresh warm and in moderate quantity never late at night never with curd cheese or cold drinks and not on days when digestion feels weak

if at any point you feel heaviness bloating acidity gas increased pain or disturbed sleep after non vegetarian food then it means your body is not ready for it and it should be avoided

along with or instead of non vegetarian food you can safely include warm nourishing vegetarian foods which are very important in cold climates

khichdi with rice moong dal and ghee vegetable soups and stews well cooked lentils oats or rice porridge cooked with spices root vegetables like carrot pumpkin sweet potato,ghee or sesame oil daily,soaked almonds walnuts or sesame seeds warm milk with turmeric or ginger

all food should be warm freshly cooked and eaten at regular times avoid raw salads cold foods refrigerated items packaged food and skipping meals

Assunlight is less in Europe continuing vitamin D supplements as advised is very important and including healthy fats in food helps absorption and supports bones muscles and nerves

whether vegetarian or non vegetarian the aim is nourishment without strain warmth without heaviness and consistency without fear

Between two, kaishore guggulu and yogaraja guggulu, which one is recommended and safe in my condition? After light walking of certain distance, slight to moderate pain in the lower back starts, also when I stand for around 10 to 15 minutes , and sometimes while standing up from lying or sitting position. And dull pain around the lower abdomen. After steroid injection, these are new symptoms. Your advise is highly well thought rh Though madam. How can I consult with you for continuous guidance and monitoring until my situation becomes better? I need someone to give hope for the recovery as I am down mentally at this moment. Out if fear , I tried few things though I had no big problem such ayurveda/steroid, they aggravated the condition. Thanks a lot for your help.

Thank you for writing back and for sharing your concern so honestly Based on everything you have experienced so far and the reactions your body has shown I want to reassure you first that your system is indeed very sensitive right now and this sensitivity itself explains why multiple medicines caused discomfort even in short use

Between kaishore guggulu and yogaraj guggulu in your present condition kaishore guggulu is the safer option if and only if we decide to introduce any medicine later Yogaraj guggulu is more stimulating drying and mobilizing in nature and since you already noticed tremor and nerve related symptoms after even one day of use it clearly tells me that your nervous system is not ready for it now So yogaraj guggulu should be avoided for the time being

Kaishore guggulu is comparatively gentler and more stabilizing but even this should not be started immediately Your pain pattern after walking standing and position changes along with dull lower abdominal discomfort after the steroid injection suggests that the tissues and nerves are still settling and recalibrating At this stage introducing even a mild internal medicine can sometimes aggravate instead of help

So my sincere advice is this For now it is completely fine to not take any ayurvedic internal medicine, it does not mean ayurveda will not work for you It only means your body needs time calm and nourishment before correction

Give yourself at least two to three weeks more with gentle walking within comfort ,warm food ,proper rest ,oil application if it feels soothing and only vitamin supplements as advised

Once the pain becomes less reactive and the nervous symptoms calm down then we can think of introducing kaishore guggulu in a very small dose like one tablet once daily after food and observe for any symptoms

Steroid injection does not stop natural healing It may temporarily disturb the balance but your body still has full capacity to heal What you are experiencing now is sensitivity not damage

Mentally also please be gentle with yourself Fear tightens muscles increases pain and delays recovery Your awareness and caution itself shows you are on the right path

Regarding continuous guidance yes you can consult me through this platform Whenever you post your updates or doubts ,I will try my best to guide you and support you through this phase

Recovery may feel slow but it is very much possible With patience right timing and gentle support your body can regain balance again Please keep faith and take one day at a time

Thank you. Since yesterday, pain in Achilles tendon is getting worse. It is there when I stand and walk certain distance. And also if I kneel in lying position. Could you please recommend a remedy for this other than taking rest ? It used be there on ind off in previous weeks. Now it is getting more. Thanks again.