Your goal is valid and explored in tantric traditions – non-ejaculatory orgasms (dry/multiple) with prostate stimulation give intense, full-body pleasure similar to what some describe as feminine. Increased prostate fluid (pre-cum) happens with strong arousal & pelvic floor control.
1. Are these 4 herbs sufficient? No – not sufficient & carry risks. Red Clover & Licorice (phytoestrogens) + Saw Palmetto (anti-androgen) + Shatavari (mild estrogenic) can lower testosterone, reduce sperm count/motility, cause breast growth, low libido long-term. Studies show saw palmetto & red clover affect fertility negatively if used continuously. Not recommended for your goal – they suppress male hormones rather than enhance prostate fluid or control ejaculation.
2. Better natural additions (safe, effective) Focus on tantric practices + nerve-strengthening herbs (no hormonal risk): Ashwagandha – 3–5 gm night (builds stamina, delays ejaculation) Kapikacchu (Mucuna) – 3 gm morning (increases dopamine → better control & pleasure) Gokshura – 500 mg twice daily (supports prostate health & fluid) Shilajit (pure resin) – 300–500 mg morning (boosts energy & prostate function)
3. Long-term use & cycles Avoid phytoestrogen herbs (Red Clover, Licorice, high-dose Shatavari) lifelong – cycle 3 months on/1 month off, monitor hormones. Ashwagandha/Kapikacchu/Shilajit – safe lifelong at moderate dose. Fertility risk – phytoestrogens & saw palmetto reduce sperm quality – if future fatherhood possible, avoid or bank sperm. No major side effects with recommended herbs if pure & dosed properly.
4. Safe daily dosage & timing Ashwagandha Lehyam – 5–10 gm night with warm water Kapikacchu powder – 3 gm morning with water Gokshura capsule – 500 mg morning + night Shilajit resin – 300–500 mg morning dissolved in water
5. For deeper feminine-style pleasure Add prostate massage (self or partner) + Kegel exercises (50×3 daily) + tantric breathing (deep belly breath during arousal, hold at edge). This gives abundant prostate fluid & non-ejaculatory orgasms – far more effective than herbs alone.
6. Bliss Day preparation Morning: Ashwagandha + Shilajit Relaxed setting, long foreplay, prostate stimulation slowly – focus on breathing to delay peak.
7. Expected fluid & duration With practice: 5–20 ml prostate fluid possible, pleasure waves last 10–30 min (multiple peaks without ejaculation).
Bottom line Drop Red Clover & Saw Palmetto – switch to Ashwagandha, Kapikacchu, Gokshura, Shilajit + tantric prostate practices. Safe, no fertility risk, permanent results in 3–6 months. You can achieve this naturally & safely – focus on practice over herbs.
Regards Dr Gursimran Jeet Singh MD Panchakarma
THANK YOU FOR CONTACTING ASK AYURVEDA
IT IS POSSIBLE TO APPROACH IN A SAFE, NATURAL, AND CONTROLLED WAY IF DONE WITH A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING AND DISCIPLINE.
THE FOUR HERBS WHICH YOU HAVE YOU MENTIONED RED CLOVER, SAW PALMETTO, SHATAVARI, AND LICORICE CAN SUPPORT THE KIND OF EXPERIENCE YOU ARE SEEKING TO A CERTAIN EXTENT. TOGETHER, THEY CAN HELP SOFTEN ANDROGENIC ACTIVITY, SUPPORT A MORE FLUID AND RELAXED AROUSAL RESPONSE, INCREASE PRE EJACULATORY AND PROSTATE SECRETIONS, AND REDUCE THE URGE FOR FORCEFUL EJACULATION. THEY DO NOT CHANGE BIOLOGICAL SEX, BUT THEY CAN GENTLY SHIFT THE QUALITY OF SENSATION TOWARD A CALMER, MORE DIFFUSE, AND BLISS ORIENTED STATE WHEN USED PROPERLY .
THESE HERBS ARE GENERALLY SUFFICIENT. THERE IS NO NEED TO ADD STRONGER HORMONE ALTERING SUBSTANCES. IF YOU WISH TO ENHANCE THE EXPERIENCE SAFELY, NON HORMONAL SUPPORT SUCH AS MAGNESIUM FOR NERVOUS SYSTEM RELAXATION AND OMEGA THREE FOR PROSTATE AND NERVE HEALTH CAN BE USED WITHOUT INTERFERING WITH HORMONAL BALANCE.
THESE HERBS SHOULD NOT BE USED CONTINUOUSLY .THE SAFEST APPROACH IS TO USE THEM IN CYCLES, SUCH AS SIX TO EIGHT WEEKS OF USE FOLLOWED BY THREE TO FOUR WEEKS OF BREAK. LICORICE SHOULD ALWAYS BE USED IN SHORT PHASES AND LONG TERM CONTINUOUS USE MAY DISTURB ELECTROLYTE AND ADRENAL BALANCE.
IF YOU PLAN LONG TERM OR LIFETIME USE, IT MUST BE INTERMITTENT, LOW DOSE, AND WITH REGULAR BREAKS.THEY CAN BE SAFE AND SUPPORTIVE WITHOUT CAUSING HARM.
REGARDING FERTILITY, TEMPORARY REDUCTION IN EJACULATORY FORCE OR SPERM PARAMETERS CAN OCCUR DURING USE, BUT THESE CHANGES ARE USUALLY REVERSIBLE AFTER STOPPING. WHEN USED IN CYCLES THE RISK FOR FUTURE FERTILITY AND THE ABILITY TO BECOME A FATHER REMAINS HIGH .
LONG TERM SIDE EFFECTS ARE UNLIKELY BUT OVERUSE OR CONTINUOUS USE MAY LEAD TO LOW ENERGY, REDUCED LIBIDO, EMOTIONAL FLATTENING, OR HORMONAL IMBALANCE. THIS IS WHY CYCLING AND SELF AWARENESS ARE ESSENTIAL.
A CONSERVATIVE DAILY ROUTINE WOULD BE SAW PALMETTO ONCE DAILY WITH FOOD, SHATAVARI ONCE DAILY PREFERABLY IN THE EVENING, RED CLOVER IN LOW DOSE ONCE DAILY FOR SHORT CYCLES ONLY, AND LICORICE ONLY FOR LIMITED WEEKS AND THEN STOPPED. DO NOT INCREASE DOSAGE TO FORCE RESULTS.
FOR DEEPER, FEMININE STYLE PLEASURE, THE MOST IMPORTANT FACTORS ARE NOT MORE HERBS BUT NERVOUS SYSTEM CONDITIONING, SLOW BREATHING, PELVIC FLOOR RELAXATION AND A NON GOAL ORIENTED MINDSET. HERBS SUPPORT THE BACKGROUND, BUT THE EXPERIENCE COMES FROM THE MIND BODY CONNECTION.
ON YOUR BLISS DAY, BEGIN YOUR DAY WITH MENTAL CALMNESS, LIGHT FOOD, NO STIMULANTS, SLOW BREATHING EXERCISES AND A RELAXED BODY. AVOID RUSHING OR AIMING FOR EJACULATION. THE STATE YOU SEEK ARISES FROM ALLOWING, NOT FORCING.
THE AMOUNT OF PRE CUM OR PROSTATE FLUID VARIES FROM PERSON TO PERSON.THE DURATION OF PLEASURE ALSO VARIES AND IS MORE DEPENDENT ON MENTAL STATE THAN ON HERBS. THERE IS NO FIXED OR GUARANTEED QUANTITY.
OVERALL, YOUR GOAL CAN BE APPROACHED SAFELY IF YOU RESPECT YOUR BODY, AVOID EXCESS, USE HERBS CYCLICALLY, AND PLACE MORE EMPHASIS ON AWARENESS AND RELAXATION THAN ON HORMONAL MANIPULATION. THIS PATH REQUIRES PATIENCE, NOT FORCE.
REGARDS
DR PRASAD
Hello Doctor, Thank you for your previous insightful guidance regarding my goal of shifting toward a non-ejaculatory, prostate-centered bliss state using natural herbs. Based on your advice, I am planning to start the regimen with Shatavari, Yashtimadhu (Licorice), Red Clover, and Saw Palmetto. To ensure I follow this safely and effectively, I would appreciate your specific instructions on the following: Specific Dosage: What is the exact daily dosage (in mg or grams) you recommend for each of these four herbs for someone starting this journey? Timing: At what specific times of the day should I take each herb to maximize its effectiveness for prostate-centered arousal? The Cycle Pattern: You mentioned using them in cycles. Could you clarify exactly how many weeks I should take them and exactly how many days/weeks I should pause before restarting? Expectation of Results: * How many weeks after starting the regimen can I expect to notice a significant change in my arousal pattern and the reduction of ejaculatory urge? What specific physical changes should I look for (e.g., changes in fluid consistency, erectile strength, or nerve sensitivity)? Dad Mode/Fertility: Since I wish to preserve my fertility for the future, are there any specific ‘red flags’ I should monitor during this process? I am committed to a disciplined and patient approach as you suggested. I look forward to your detailed guidance.
REGARDING DOSAGE- SHATAVARI CHURNA CAN BE TAKEN 3 TO 5 GRAMS ONCE DAILY,IN THE EVENING WITH WARM MILK . CLASSICALLY, SHATAVARI IS DESCRIBED AS SHEETA, SNIGDHA, AND SHUKRA PRASADANA IN CHARAKA AND BHAVAPRAKASHA, MEANING IT NOURISHES FLUIDITY, SOFTENS EXCITABILITY, AND SUPPORTS A CALMER SENSUAL RESPONSE OVER TIME.
YASHTIMADHU SHOULD BE USED MORE CAUTIOUSLY. 1 TO 2 GRAMS OF CHOORNA ONCE DAILY AT MORNING WITH WARM WATER. THE CLASSICALLY YASHTIMADHU IS BALYA, HRIDYA, AND VATA PITTA SHAMAKA, BUT THEY ALSO WARN THAT EXCESS OR PROLONGED USE CAN DISTURB DHATU BALANCE AND KAPHA. THEREFORE THIS HERB MUST NEVER BE USED CONTINUOUSLY FOR MONTHS WITHOUT A BREAK.
RED CLOVER AND SAW PALMETTO ARE NOT CLASSICAL AYURVEDIC DRAVYAS. THEY ARE MODERN PHYTOHERBS USED BASED ON THEIR SOFT ANTI ANDROGENIC AND PROSTATE MODULATING EFFECTS. FROM AN AYURVEDIC VIEW, THEY ARE USED TO REDUCE ATI PRAVRITTI OF APANA VAYU AND SHUKRA VEGA. FOR RED CLOVER, DOSE OF 400 TO 500 MG ONCE DAILY IS SUFFICIENT, AND IT SHOULD NEVER BE USED BEYOND SIX WEEKS IN A CYCLE. SAW PALMETTO CAN BE USED AT 160 TO 320 MILLIGRAMS ONCE DAILY WITH FOOD, PREFERABLY IN THE MORNING.
MORNING IS FOR SAW PALMETTO AND IF USING RED CLOVER. EVENING IS FOR SHATAVARI.
ABOUT CYCLING, THE SAFEST PATTERN IS SIX WEEKS OF USE FOLLOWED BY A COMPLETE THREE TO FOUR WEEK BREAK. DURING THE BREAK, SHATAVARI MAY BE CONTINUED ALONE FOR ONE ADDITIONAL WEEK IF REQUIRED, BUT ALL OTHERS SHOULD BE STOPPED. THIS CYCLING PRINCIPLE IS STRONGLY IMPLIED IN AYURVEDA WHERE CHARAKA SAYS THAT EVEN RASAYANA SHOULD BE GIVEN WITH YUKTI AND KAALA, NOT CONTINUOUSLY WITHOUT ASSESSMENT.
YOU MAY NOTICE CHANGES BETWEEN THREE TO FIVE WEEKS. THESE MAY INCLUDE A SOFTER AROUSAL BUILD UP, LESS URGENCY TOWARD EJACULATION, MORE DIFFUSE PELVIC SENSATION, AND A CHANGE IN THE QUALITY OF PRE EJACULATORY SECRETIONS RATHER THAN A LARGE INCREASE IN QUANTITY. AYURVEDA DOES NOT STATE SPECIFIC FLUID AMOUNTS. IT TELLS ABOUT ONLY OF GUNA CHANGE, FROM TEEKSHNA AND CHALA TO SNIGDHA AND MANDALA.
IF YOU NOTICE FATIGUE, LOSS OF MORNING ERECTIONS, OR EMOTIONAL DULLNESS, THAT IS A SIGNAL TO STOP AND RESTORE BALANCE.
FOR FERTILITY PRESERVATION, THE MAIN WARNING SIGNS INCLUDES PERSISTENT ABSENCE OF EJACULATION EVEN WHEN YOU INTEND TO, SIGNIFICANT DROP IN LIBIDO, TESTICULAR DISCOMFORT, OR GENERAL LOW ENERGY.IF YOU NOTICE ANY OF THE ABOVE , STOP THE REGIMEN AND ALLOW FOR FULL RECOVERY. WHEN USED CYCLICALLY AND CONSERVATIVELY, THESE EFFECTS ARE REVERSIBLE AND FERTILITY CAN BE PRESERVED.
Hello Pradip,
Thank you for explaining your intentions so clearly and respectfully. I’ll answer from a medical-safety and sexual-health perspective, without judgement, and with honesty. Some expectations you’ve mentioned are not biologically achievable with herbs, so correcting those points is important for your long-term safety and mental well-being.
✨First — a very important clarification (please read carefully)- - “Feminine-style sexual pleasure” in women or trans women is NOT created by herbs alone. - In transgender women, such experiences occur after sustained medical hormone therapy (estrogen ± anti-androgens) that causes structural and neuro-hormonal changes over years. - Herbs cannot safely or reliably reproduce this state, and attempting to do so long-term can cause hormonal suppression, sexual dysfunction, mood changes, and fertility issues.
About the four herbs you mentioned-
1️⃣ Red Clover - Contains phytoestrogens - Effect on male estrogen is weak and inconsistent - Long-term use → may cause: -Reduced libido -Fatigue -Possible sperm quality reduction ❗ Not safe for lifetime daily use
2️⃣ Saw Palmetto - Mild DHT blocker - Can reduce prostate activity and ejaculation volume ⚠️ Long-term risks: - Erectile dysfunction - Low libido - Depression - Reduced fertility ❗ Should NOT be used continuously without medical monitoring
3️⃣ Shatavari - Adaptogenic, mildly estrogenic - In men: mostly affects digestion and stress, not sexual feminization ✔ Generally safe short-term ❌ Does not create feminine arousal patterns
4️⃣ Licorice (Yashtimadhu) - Suppresses testosterone production Can cause: - High blood pressure - Low potassium - Heart rhythm problems 🚫 Unsafe for long-term daily use ✨✨✨✨✨✨✨✨✨ Direct answers to your questions-
1️⃣ Are these herbs sufficient to achieve what you want? ❌No. They cannot safely produce - - Feminine orgasmic response - Non-ejaculatory bliss - High fluid release - Trying to force this hormonally will cause harm before benefit.
2️⃣ Should other herbs be added? ❌No. Adding more hormone-active herbs increases: - Endocrine disruption - Sexual dysfunction - Infertility risk - There is no safe herbal stack for this goal.
3️⃣ Can these herbs be used continuously? ❌No. If used at all: - Short cycles only (2–4 weeks) - Long breaks - Medical supervision required - Lifetime use is unsafe.
✨✨✨✨✨ Your specific safety questions— 1. Lifetime use — safe? ❌ Not safe ❌ Risk of permanent hormonal suppression
2. Risk to fertility? ✔ Yes — real risk - Reduced sperm count - Reduced semen volume - Possible long-term infertility
3. Long-term health risks? ✔ Possible: - Depression - Erectile dysfunction - Loss of sexual desire - Gynecomastia (breast tissue) - Electrolyte imbalance - Cardiovascular effects
4. Dosage & timing? I cannot safely provide dosages for hormonal manipulation purposes. That would be medically irresponsible without labs and supervision.
👌🏻👌🏻5. Other supplements to deepen pleasure? Here is the truth:- Deeper, non-ejaculatory pleasure is neurological and pelvic-muscular — not herbal. It involves: - Pelvic floor control - Autonomic nervous system regulation - Mental focus - Breath control - Not supplements.
6. “Bliss Day” preparation? What is safe and realistic: - Relaxation - Adequate sleep - Hydration - Stress reduction - No alcohol or stimulants
What is not safe:❌❌ - Hormonal stacking - Testosterone suppression - Expecting fluid changes
7. Fluid amount & pleasure duration? There is no predictable or medically meaningful increase in pre-ejaculatory or prostate fluid from herbs. Any claims suggesting otherwise are misinformation.
A healthier, honest alternative (important) If your desire is:- - Reduced ejaculation - More diffuse body pleasure - Altered orgasm perception Then the safe paths are:- - Pelvic floor physiotherapy - Sexual therapy focused on arousal patterns - Mind-body techniques (not drugs) - If gender dysphoria is present → endocrinologist + mental health professional These approaches do not damage fertility or hormones.👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻
Tq
Hello Pradip,
I would like to thank you for being so open and thoughtful while sharing your concern. Your focus on the safety aspect and natural balance really impressed me, apart from the overall understanding of your point.
UNDERSTANDING YOUR INTENTION (IMPORTANT)
As a biological male, you are looking for:
–Long non-ejaculatory sex with increased pleasurr –More pre-ejaculatory/prostate fluid –A softer, more tranquil arousal –Without compromising health, fertility, or mental balance
This is not a case of disease, but a request for a biological adjustment of the body functions, therefore the handling has to be very cautious.
VERY IMPORTANT MEDICAL TRUTH (PLEASE READ CAREFULLY)
➡️ Ayurveda does NOT endorse feminization of male hormones in biological males with herbs on a permanent basis.
➡️ To a certain extent herbs such as Red Clover, Licorice, and Shatavari have mild phytoestrogenic effects, however:
–They cannot create a sexual female physiology “like” that in a safe or reliable manner –Using a phytoestrogenic product chronically with that goal in mind can disrupt the endocrine system
Therefore, the goal should be: –Helping the nervous system to relax –Control of ejaculatory function –Relaxation of the prostate –Mind-body pleasure control – not changing hormones.
ANSWERS TO YOUR QUESTIONS (CLEAR & HONEST)
1️⃣ Are these four herbs sufficient?
➡️ No, they are not sufficient, and one should not use them with the intent of feminization.
Red Clover & Licorice → prolonged usage may affect testosterone, blood pressure, and cortisol levels. Saw Palmetto → can lower DHT (which might affect libido/fertility if a person is using the product wrongly). Shatavari → it is a nourishing herb but does not feminize males.
❗ It is not recommended to use them together for a long time without the supervision of a doctor.
2️⃣ Should you add other herbs?
❌ No, there should be no other herbal additions for the purpose of hormonal change. That would be unsafe self-endocrine manipulation.
3️⃣ Can these herbs be used lifelong?
❌ Certainly not for daily lifelong use with this intention. Some of the risks are:
–Hormonal imbalance –Decrease in sperm quality –Fatigue, mood changes –Gynecomastia risk (rare but possible)
FERTILITY & LONG-TERM HEALTH (VERY IMPORTANT)
2️⃣ Will this change fertility?
➡️ Yes - if the products are used inappropriately or continued for a long time, especially:
Saw Palmetto Licorice Red Clover
These substances over time may lead to lower sperm count and motility.
3️⃣ What will be the side effects in the long run?
If the person continues to use the products without supervision, there is a possibility of:
Symptoms of low testosterone Weakness of erection Mood changes (flattening) Endocrine suppression
WHAT AYURVEDA CAN SAFELY SUPPORT
Rather than feminization, Ayurveda can safely facilitate: –Control of ejaculatory function –Induction of prolonged pleasure –Relaxation of the prostate –Non-ejaculatory bliss states –Mental calmness
– Without causing hormonal damage
SAFE AYURVEDIC DIRECTION (RECOMMENDED)
INTERNAL SUPPORT (SAFE & NON-HORMONAL)
Ashwagandha capsule 1-0-1 after food → nervous control Brahmi capsule 1-0+1 after food → sensory modulation Kaunch Beej (very light dose) ½ tsp with milk after food at bed time → prostate nourishment
These do not feminize but make control and pleasure regulation better and safer.
ABOUT “BLISS DAY” PREPARATION
Ayurveda does not support the idea of using substances as preparation for pleasure states.
Instead one should concentrate on:
Calm digestion Mental stillness Breath regulation Pelvic floor awareness
ABOUT EXPECTED FLUID & DURATION
No ethical or medical professional can predict or promise the amount of fluid or the duration of pleasure. Those being expected varies largely and should not be chemically chased.
FINAL, HONEST CONCLUSION
Your point is clear and reasonable Herbal hormonal shifting is NOT a safe method One cannot biologically create feminine-style pleasure in males with herb What IS possible without endangering the health is, however, improving control, calm arousal, and satisfaction
If you want to achieve safe sexual control and pleasure enhancement, Ayurveda could be of assistance — without causing harm.
Thanks for sharing such a sensitive matter with me. Your safety and long-term health are the priority.
Kind regards – Dr. Snehal Vidhate
Donot challenge the nature else nature will harm you more than what you think
Your interest in a softer, more fluid, non forceful, non ejaculatory form of pleasure is valid. Many biological males naturally seek a calmer, prostate dominant, whole body arousal rather than a sharp ejaculatory peak From an Ayurvedic perspective, this reflects a desire to shift sexual experience from rajasic discharge toward a more sattvic, sustained bliss state.
The herbs you have chosen are thoughtful. Shatavari supports fluidity, nourishment, and a softer arousal pattern. Yashtimadhu calms the nervous system, increases lubrication like secretions, and supports parasympathetic dominance, which is essential for prostate based pleasure. Red clover and saw palmetto gently reduce excessive androgen drive, which can help slow ejaculation and allow pleasure to spread rather than rush toward release. Used correctly these herbs can support exactly the type of experience you are wanting
Yes, they can help you move toward a non ejaculatory, prostate centered, blissful arousal safely, especially since you have no medical conditions Ayurveda never forces transformation. It allows the nervous system and hormones to soften over time. When that happens, pre ejaculatory fluid and prostate secretion often increase naturally, and pleasure becomes more diffused and long lasting.
Regarding long term use, these herbs can be part of a long life, but gentle use with periodic breaks keeps the system balanced and prevents suppression. Fertility is generally preserved when the approach is soft and cyclical rather than aggressive. If at any point you choose fatherhood, stopping or reducing them allows normal function to return in most healthy men.
Your chosen herbs already cover hormonal softening, nerve calmness, and fluid support. On days when you wish to experience deeper bliss, light food, emotional safety, slow breathing, and patience allow the body to release fluid naturally without ejaculation.
The amount of pre cum or prostate fluid varies individual to individual. Some experience light continuous release, others experience noticeable drops or slow oozing sensation. Pleasure can last from several minutes to longer when the mind is calm .The goal is not quantity but continuity and depth.
If you continue with patience, self awareness, and moderation, your approach can remain safe, natural, and fulfilling over the long term.
