13mm stone at kidney & 7mm stone is on the way from kideney towards urine route - #22853

13mm stone in kidney is relatively large and is difficult to pass through the tract by itself and also the 7mm stone in the passage also considered as large when compared to the ureter (the urine pipe) So here the possibility is to make the stones in to smaller sizes so that it can pass through the urine

Since here size is little bigger may be we could try Ayurvedic internal medicines for around 2-3weeks if you are getting symptomatic relief we will continue the medication and then again after one month please do take a USG scan focusing Kidneys

We can’t have a lot of medication since she is already having for BP and Rheumatic heart disease

1.Veeratharadi kashayam 10ml + 30ml lukewarm water twice daily before food 2.Chandraprabha gulika 2-0-2 after food 3.Gokshuradi guggulu 1-0-1after food 4.Renalka syrup- 10ml twice /(SOS)

Hello Usually in ayurveda less than 6 mm stones can be easily treated, if it’s more than 6 mm it’s becomes difficult to come through ureters n may rupture the small vessels on the way which have already happened with your wife because of that she is having blood in urine U suggest you to follow the urologist advice n later can follow the strict diet advice so that it can be further prevented

Tab.Cystone fort 1-0-1 Sy.Neeri 15ml twice

Take tablet cystone forte 1-1-1 after food with water Gokshuradi guggul 2-0-0 after breakfast with water For 2 months and then check USG report

Hello Ashok, your wife has a 13mm kidney stone and a 7 mm stone moving toward the ureter, causing severe pain. she also has high blood pressure , rheumatic heart disease , diabetes, and psoriasis which complicates management 7 mm stone may obstruct the ureter, leading to pain, infection or hydrnephrosis 13 mm stone is unlikely to pass naturally multiple comorbities restrict strong medications and surgery

Short term emergency management for pain relief- punarnavadi kashaya- 15 ml with equal quantity of water twice daily before food Chandraprabha vati- 2 tab twice daly after food gokshuradi vati- 2 tav twice daily after food dashamoola kasahaya- 15 ml with equal quantity of water twice daily after food Hajrul yahood bhasma with moolak swarasa- 250 mg twice daily take this when pain occurs

long term management for stone removal and reoccurrence prevention- varunadi kashaya- 15 ml with equal quantity of water twice daily after food Pattharchatta juice- 10 ml daily twice a day hoarsegram soup- daily in lunch barley water- 1 litre/day

diet - increase fluid intake- 3.5-4 L /day(not advisable if fluid restriction is advised for heart) avoid- tomatoes, spinach, brinjal, beans, tea avoid red meat, spicy, junkfood and excess salt

include- lemmon juice with water, coconut water, horse gram soup, radish juice in moderation

monitor bp and sugar regularly

suggested surgery or lithotripsy if the 13 mll stone does not reduce within 2-3 months if 7 mm stone causes obstructuion recurrent infection or blood in urine

so please take urologist suggestion as case is complicated this is advisable only if situation is under control

short term management- is just for pain so take for 1-2 weeks if pain is severe if not then take long term management

thank you hope she gets well very soon

thank you

Hello Ashok

I Can Understand Ur Wife and U Going through these Anxious Health concerns

" I WILL HELP YOU TO THE BEST I CAN "’

Her has 17 mm Kidney Stones 7 mm Broken Kidney Stones in Ureter with severe pain Hospitalized as an emergency with History of Hypertension Diabetes Rheumatic Heart Disease and Psoriasis

• She has Severe pain due to descended Obstructed Ureteric Stone which settled by Hospital

• Now Due to Stucked 7 mm Ureteric Stone She has Ongoing Hydronephrosis and Obstructive Nephropathy which along with Diabetes and UTI may worse Situation

• It’s Easy of Us now 7 mm Ureteric Stone to descend and disintegrate

• But Any Big Stone (above 10 mm ) Kidney Stones 13 mm is Unlikely to Pass Now Waiting Long would also Complicate the Situation further

• So According to the Medical Situation Urologist may Decide what’s Best for Situation and Patient

* If Urologist decides URS or Lithotripsy Immediately without delay then move as per his Decision considering Emergency

* If Urologist holds told to Wait then Ayurvedic Has Some Space to work her ( As Ayurvedic Medicine needs time to Disintegrate and Expul stone)

• Kidney Stones treatment depends upon Number Size Shape position type of Kidney stones

• Treatment depending upon the underlying cause.Treating to Root cause will solve the problem forever.

• Upto 6 mm of Stones can be easily disintegrate Dissolve and Flushable Above 6 mm - 10 mm with Great efforts of Ayurvedic medicine & Multiple Methods it is Possible Above 10 mm it’s Unsure through Any Medicines.

• IN MY CLINICAL PRACTICE IN POSSIBLE CASES 100 % RESULT ORIENTED AYURVEDIC MEDICINES U MUST TRY

• Cap.Stonvil ( SG Phytopharma) 1 -0- 1 After Food • Tab.Cystone ( Himalaya Pharma) 2 -0-2 After Food • Neeri Syrup ( Aimil Pharma) 10 ml -0- 10 ml After Food • Tab.Peedantak Vati 2 Tabs for Severe Pain as necessary only

• FOR KIDNEY STONE NON RECURRENCE

* Tab.Gokahuradi Guggulu 2 -0-2 After Food * Syrup.Bhrihat Varunadi Kadha ( Dhootapapeshwar Pharma) 20 ml -0- 20 ml After Food

• EFFECTIVE WORKING HOME REMEDIES FOR KIDNEY STONES EXPULSION AND NON RECURRENCE ( TRY ANY POSSIBLE )

* Lemon Juice( 1 Big )+ Olive Oil 30 ml to be Taken Early Morning on Empty Stomach with 1 Glass of Normal Water

* Horse gram Decoction 60 ml Twice a Day After Food

* Banana Stem Juice 60 ml + Yavakshar 1 Tsf on empty stomach with 1 Glass of Normal Water

* Pathachatta Leaf Juice 30 ml on empty stomach with 1 Glass of Normal Water

• KIDNEY STONE INSTRUCTIONS TO FOLLOW FOR CURE & NON RECURRENCE

1.Drink Plenty of Water Fluids Juices Approximately 3 Liters Per Day 2.Avoid Hard Water ( Borewell water ).Drink Alkaline Water ideally ph should be 7 3.Drink Plenty of Citrus Fruits Juices like Lemon Orange etc 4.Avoid Extra High Salty processed sweets packed canned diet 5.Limit High Oxalate Diet like Spinach Tea etc 6.Avoid Excessive Tea Coffee etc 7.Limit Animal Too High Proteins 8.Maintain Urogenital Hygiene 9.Avoid Too High Calcium Diet 10.Avoid Addictions if Any

DO’S - Highly Nutritious Alkaline Leaft Vegitable Citrus Fruits salads sprouts Fibers etc Plenty of Water Approximately 3 Liters Per Day Fluids Juices Lemon Orange Coconut Watermelon Banana Stem Horse Gram Soup

DON’TS - Avoided Spicy Salty Sour Masala Fried Fast Foods Junck Foods Bakery items Avoid High Oxalate - Spinach Tea Cauliflower Cabbage Tomatoes High Calcium Diet - Mild Dairy Product High Read Meat Protein - Chicken Mutton etc Sedentary lifestyles

HOPE THIS INFORMATION U GET SOLUTION TO WIFE’S ISSUE

" I PRAY LET SHE WILL BE FINE SOON "

REGARDS

Dr Arun Desai

God Bless You 😊🙏

If you have any questions u can ask me.I will answer to the level of your satisfaction.U have text option here.

DONT PANIK ASHOK ITS COMPLETELY REMOVED JUST 1 MONTHS MEDICINE. TAKE …DIVYA GOKHRU KWATH=100GM …DIVYA ASHMARIHAR KWATH=100GM …HAZROOL YAHOOD BHASM=20GM…MIX ALL AND TAKE 2 TSP BOIL 2 GLASS OF WATER TILL REDUCES 1 GLASS STRAIN AND DRINK EMPTY STOMACH TWICE DAILY

DIVYA LITHOM TAB DIVYA TRIGHAN VATI=2-2 TAB AFTER MEAL TWICE DAILY WITH WATER

AVOID DAIRY PRODUCTS AND HEAVY PROTEIN LIKE PANEER/RAJMA/CHLOE /RED MEAT/EGG ETC…

TAKE ATLEAST 3-4 LITRES WATER PER DAY

Ashok ji Pain occurs as the stone scrapes or blocks the ureter. If it’s moving downward, it may pass naturally, but may also cause severe pain or obstruction.

Ayurvedic treatment is very effective,butThe 13mm Kidney Stone is too large to pass naturally. You can go to Urologist for laser based breaking of stone,. Or you can also one or two month take following medication and get a Usg done after 1mnth 1.Himalaya Cystone /Dabur Stonil Syrup or tabs both are grt working on kidney stone 2. Chandraprabha Vati – (2-0-2) 3. Punarnava + Gokshura + Varunadi Kwath - mix each 5ml in 1cup luke warm water in morning and evening. Home remedies - 1.Drink Coconut its Water Natural diuretic. 2. boil the kulthi dal,mash the daland drink the water.

Diet- Avoid: tomato seeds, spinach, red meat, dairy excess, fried foods

Include: coconut water, barley water, horse gram soup,

Hello, thank you for trusting and reaching out this platform with your wife’s health concern

I can imagine how overwhelming and painful the situation must have been on 19th May, sudden kidney stone pain, especially when it radiates from the back to the urinary track can be extremely distressing, I truly am sateesh with what your wife is going through, especially considering our pre-existing health conditions like blood pressure, rheumatic, heart, disease, diabetes, and no sorry as each of these conditions as its own complexity and when combined with renal stone paint, the treatment plan has to be deeply personalised and very careful

Let me break this down and guide you from an Ayurvedic perspective.

Kidney stones are described as “Ashmari” in Ayurveda. It is one of the eight most difficult diseases to treat (Ashta Mahagada). Here, the Vata, Pitta, and Kapha doshas become imbalanced and mix with urine (Mutra) and waste materials, gradually crystallizing into stones. You have mentioned that the • The 13 mm stone in the kidney likely represents a Kapha-Vata dominant Ashmari, stable but capable of causing pain if disturbed. • The 7 mm stone in the ureter, the broken fragment, is the cause of acute pain, known in Ayurveda as “Seevan Vedana” — a pricking, tearing type of pain caused when stones travel through the narrow urinary channels.

The presence of Rakta (blood) in urine, although not visible, shows trauma in the urinary tract, which is also a sign of Pitta aggravation.

Your wife’s chronic illnesses like RHD, hypertension, and diabetes mean that her Ojas (immunity and vitality) is already compromised. The added burden of psoriasis further reflects deep Pitta and Rakta imbalance.

So the treatment must do three things: 1. Help dislodge the 7 mm stone naturally and safely. 2. Work on breaking and shrinking the 13 mm stone gradually. 3. Strengthen urinary tract channels, reduce inflammation, protect kidneys, and prevent recurrence — all without disturbing her heart, BP, or sugar levels.

Ayurvedic Treatment Plan

1. Herbal Medicines (Internally) • Varunadi Kwath or Varuna Ghan Vati – Excellent for breaking kidney stones and reducing inflammation. Helps in flushing out smaller stones. • Punarnava Mandoor / Punarnavasavam – Reduces swelling, supports kidney health, and is safe in RHD and diabetes. • Gokshuradi Guggulu – Useful for urinary tract cleansing and healing micro-injuries due to stone movement. • Chandraprabha Vati – Works on urinary tract health, balances blood sugar, and supports kidneys. (But monitor BP as it can mildly increase it in some). • Patharchatta Juice (Bryophyllum pinnatum) – Fresh juice or tablets. This is a traditional remedy to help disintegrate kidney stones. • Kulattha Yusha (Horse gram soup) – This traditional soup helps break down stone formation and promotes urinary flow.

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2. Pain Management (During Severe Attacks)

If pain suddenly returns: • Dashamoola Kwatha (if available) can be used for anti-inflammatory support. • Warm castor oil massage on the lower back and abdomen (clockwise) helps ease spasms. • Mix Gokshura + Shatavari powder with lukewarm water – this provides soothing relief to the urinary tract. • Apply warm water bag to lower abdomen and back to relieve pain. • In case of unbearable pain, do not delay; use prescribed painkillers under medical guidance and visit the hospital if needed.

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🍲 Diet and Lifestyle Advice

Your wife must follow a diet that balances Pitta and Vata, supports kidney function, and doesn’t burden the heart. • Avoid: Tomato, spinach, brinjal, excessive dairy, red meat, salty packaged foods, and very sour foods. • Include: Barley water, coconut water (if sugar is under control), coriander water, bottle gourd soup, horse gram, ash gourd juice. • Drink warm water with a pinch of cumin and coriander frequently.

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Safety in Pre-existing Conditions

Considering her RHD and diabetes, we must: • Avoid heavy, heating herbs like Guggulu in high doses. • Monitor her BP and sugar every 3–4 days. • Ensure hydration without excessive fluid overload — especially due to her cardiac condition. • Use diabetic-friendly and cardio-safe herbs only.

Also, avoid Panchakarma (detox treatments) unless fully supervised by an Ayurvedic physician in person, due to heart condition risk.

Psoriasis and Kidney Stone Link

Interestingly, psoriasis and kidney stones can have a subtle connection through aggravated Pitta and Rakta doshas. Long-term inflammation and metabolic disturbances can predispose the body to both conditions. We should also start Rakta-pacifying remedies slowly after the stone episode stabilizes.

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When to Seek Emergency Help

If she experiences: • Intense back or abdominal pain • Nausea/vomiting that doesn’t subside • Visible blood in urine • Sudden drop in urine output

Please do not wait for natural methods — go to the hospital immediately.

Emotional and Mental Health Support

The stress of multiple health issues can impact healing. Encourage her to do gentle breathing (Anulom Vilom), listen to calming music, and stay mentally supported. Psoriasis, diabetes, and kidney issues all worsen with stress.

Ashok ji, you’re doing the right thing by seeking holistic care for your wife. Ayurveda, when done gently and mindfully, can bring great relief without interfering with her ongoing allopathic treatment. Please understand that stone expulsion, especially with heart and sugar issues, must be gradual and closely monitored.

But the thing is, it treats from its root cause, so it may take some time to show its actual result

If you wish I can design a customized herbal protocol with dosage and timings, depending on the exact sugar and BP levels. Feel free to share her recent lab reports and current medicines.

Wishing her comfort strength and complete healing Mary soon for the smaller stone smoothly, and begin to dissolve the larger one gently complete healing.

For the situation with the kidney stones your wife is experiencing, it is crucial first to address any immediate pain she may feel. While you should definitely consult a medical professional for acute pain and follow their guidance, Ayurveda can offer supportive strategies alongside conventional treatment. The presence of larger stones—especially the 13mm stone—often requires medical intervention, such as surgical removal or lithotripsy, which breaks stones into smaller pieces that can pass easier.

For managing the 7mm stone naturally, Ayurveda emphasizes balancing the Vata and Pitta doshas, which are often aggravated in such conditions. Kidney stones are frequently linked to excess of these doshas leading to crystallization in the urinary tract.

1. Hydration: Encourage your wife to drink plenty of water through the day. This helps in flushing out the urinary tract and may assist in passing smaller stones. Opt for warm water, which is easier on digestion and helps maintain Agni (digestive fire).

2. Ayurvedic Herbs: Gokshura (Tribulus terrestris) and Pashanabheda (Bergenia ligulata) are traditionally used for urinary stones. You can find them in formulations like “Cystone” or consult an Ayurvedic practitioner to tailor a specific dosage.

3. Dietary Adjustments: Reducing foods high in oxalate—such as spinach, nuts, and beetroot—might be beneficial. Prefer a diet that’s light and easy to digest, avoiding spicy and oily foods which may worsen Pitta imbalance.

4. Pain Management: Should pain occur, applying heat locally with a warm water bottle may provide relief. Though in significant pain cases, medical attention is necessary.

5. Lifestyle Changes: Stress management through yoga and gentle exercise encourages balance of Vata and Pitta. Practices like Anulom Vilom (breathing exercises) are good to calm the body.

Given her existing conditions—diabetes, BP, and rheumatic heart disease—it’s essential to approach Ayurvedic treatments cautiously and coordinate with her existing medical regimen. Before starting any new herbal supplements or making drastic diet changes, it’s advisable to consult her healthcare provider. Remember, safety first; it’s vital not to replace critical medical care, especially in emergencies, with solely alternative treatments without consultation.