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Long-term Management of Asthma Symptoms - #47395

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Long-term Management of Asthma Symptoms - #47390 Client_8ce411 Considering lobelia infata 1:3 fresh aerial portion for my amantha I use (ipratropium bromide and albuterol Sulfate inhalation solution 0.5 mg/3 mg 3m) twice daily morning and night Also (nin jiom pei pa koa herbal formula) 1 tsp twice daily. Asmatha symptoms have been a daily issue For the past 15 years my age is 67 my first asthma attack was at age 40 How would you describe the severity of your asthma symptoms?: - Severe, often limits daily activities Have you noticed any specific triggers for your asthma symptoms?: - No specific triggers What is your current diet like?: - Balanced, includes all food groups

How long have you been experiencing these asthma symptoms?:

- More than 10 years

Do you experience any other symptoms alongside asthma?:

- Shortness of breath

How would you rate your overall energy levels during the day?:

- Moderate energy
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HELLO,

You are suffering from a long standing breathing disorder that Ayurveda calls Tamaka shwasa, which closely matches chronic bronchial asthma.

WHAT THIS MEANS FOR YOU -Your airways are chronically inflamed and sensitive -The tubes that carry air to your lungs narrow easily -Thick mucus blocks airflow -Breathing becomes difficult, especially during exertion or at night -Because this has been present for many years, the lungs have become weak and over-reactive

At the age of 67, natural body changes also play a role -Body dryness, increases vata increases -lung strength and elasticity reduce -recovery becomes slow

So your asthma is not sudden or allergic only, but a deep rooted internal imbalance

In Ayurveda, breathing is controlled by prana vayu (life force air)

In your case 1) Kapha (phlegm) becomes thick and sticky 2) It accumulates in the chest and airways 3) Vata (air principles) gets blocked by this kapha 4) Trapped vata moves irregularly-> breathlessness, wheezing 5) Long duration causes weakness of lung tissues 6) Disease becomes chronic but manageable, not easily curable

This is why -symptoms are daily -mediciens are needed continuously -complete stopping of inhalers is not possible suddenly

TREATMENT GOALS -Reduce frequency and intensity of breathlessness -thin and clear mucus -improve lung strength and immunity -calm over reactive airways -slowly reduce dependency on rescue medication (if possible) -prevent complications like infections, lung weakness, fatigue

INTERNAL MEDICATIONS

1) SITOPALADI CHURNA= 1/2 tsp twice daily with honey after meals =reduces thick mucus, opens airways, improves breathing comfort, gentle and safe for long term use

2) TALISADI CHURNA= 1/2 tsp twice daily after meals with warm water =controls chronic cough, improves chest clearance, reduces wheezing

3) KANTAKARI AVALEHA= 1 tsp twice daily after meals =strengthens lungs, reduces spasm of airways, useful in long standing asthma

4) CHYWANPRASHA= 1 tsp daily in Morning = improves lung immunity, reduces infections, slows disease progression, acts as lung tonics

EXTERNAL THERAPIES

1) CHEST OIL MASSAGE -use warm sesame oil -massage chest and upper back gently -once daily or on alternate days =reduces stiffness, improves circulation, calms vata, helps breathing ease

2) STEAM INHALATION -plain steam or with ajwain/eucalyptus -once daily =clears mucus, opens airways, relieves chest tightness

YOGA AND PRANAYAM Never practice during severe breathlessness

-Anulom vilom= słów and gentle -Bhramari= very beneficial for breath controls -Simple stretching 10-15 min daily is enough

AVOID -forceful kapalbhati -breath retention -overexertion

DIET -warm, freshly cooked meals -vegetables soups -ginger, black pepper, garlic (in moderation) -cooked vegetables -barley, millet, old rice

AVOID -cold foods and drinks -ice cream -curd at night -banana -heavy fried food -late dinners Eat early, light dinner

HOME REMEDIES -ginger + honey (small amount) in morning -Warm water sips through the day -Turmeric in warm water or milk

LIFESTYLE ADVICE -avoid cold exposure -keep chest and neck warm -no day sleeping -regular gentle walking -avoid smoke, dust, strong perfumes

ABOUT LOBELIA INFLATA (important warning) -Not an Ayurvedic herb -strong, potentially toxic if misused -can worsen vata -not advised for long term use, especially in elderly Sfer Ayurvedic alternatives are already listed

Your condition is long standing but manageable There is no overnight cure, but with -correct medicines -proper diet -gentle breathing practices -lifestyle discipline

You can acheive -better breathing -fewer severe episodes -improves daily activity -better quality of life

Ayurveda works slowly but deeply Consistency is more important than intensity

DO FOLLOW

HOPE THIS MIGHT BE HELPFUL

THANK YOU

DR. MAITRI ACHARYA

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46 days ago

thank you for your response, it really makes a lot of sense however I’m in America and I’m not sure where I can get all that product. You said I should take or even how to ask for it. Is it possible to translate your medicine/ herbalrecommendations into English? Or recommendations on where I can purchase.

Some regime you should follow

✔️Do’s:✔️ Eat freshly cooked food. Chew an inch of fresh ginger half an before meal. Eat only fruit vegetables.

🧘‍♀️Yoga🧘‍♀️ Virabhadrasana Trikonasana Vrukshasan Prasavkonasan Bhujangasan Balasan Shavana

🧘‍♀️Pranayam🧘‍♀️ Anulom Vilom Bhastrika Kapalbhati

❌Dont’s:❌ Sitting directly under a fan or right in front of the A.C Oily, spicy, processed food. Packed food products. Sour and fermented items. Bakery items. Fried food products. Potatoes. Dairy products

💊Medication💊

Cap. Nelsin 2 caps twice a day before food (Take for 3 months and later take it 1 month every year when monsoon starts) Tab. Shwaskuthar Ras 2 tabs twice a day before food Syp. Corina 3 tsp twice a day before food (Take for 21 days and than take only when symptoms trigger)

Chitrak Haritaki Avleham 2 tsp early in the morning

Tab. Gandharva Haritaki 3 tabs at bed time daily for 3 months than thrice a week for lifetime.

Anu Tailam 3 drops in both nostrils take 15 minutes steam before that.

Slowly taper your modern medications that you are taking orally. Keep inhalers on for the next 3 weeks and taper them as well

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Hi If you have such issues then you can go for Vasa avelaha-1 tsp -BD with warm water Shwas kuthar rasa-2-BD Talisadi churna -1/2 tsp-BD with warm water

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46 days ago

thank you however i’m not sure where i can get any of that

also my question was should use lobelia

These are available easily on Ayurvedic pharmacy

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Lobelia …you mean tobacco?

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Take talisadi choorna 50 gms+ sitopaladi choorna 50 gms mix both and take 1 tap with honey twice daily after food Take swasakutara rasa 1 tab tid after food Take kantakari avaleha 1 tap before food Avoid curd, milk products, oily food, junk food Have hot water daily

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FROM AN AYURVEDIC VIEW THIS TYPE OF LONG STANDING ASTHMA USUALLY INVOLVES BOTH DRYNESS AND STIFFNESS OF THE AIRWAYS ALONG WITH CHRONIC CONSTRICTION THE ABSENCE OF CLEAR TRIGGERS AND THE DAILY NATURE OF SYMPTOMS SUGGEST THAT THE LUNG TISSUE AND BREATH REGULATION HAVE WEAKENED OVER TIME RATHER THAN A SIMPLE ALLERGIC RESPONSE

REGARDING YOUR QUESTION ABOUT LOBELIA INFLATA THIS HERB IS POWERFUL AND ACTS STRONGLY ON THE RESPIRATORY AND NERVOUS SYSTEM IT IS NOT A MILD DAILY SUPPORT HERB AND IN SOME PEOPLE ESPECIALLY ABOVE THE AGE OF SIXTY FIVE OR THOSE USING BRONCHODILATORS IT CAN CAUSE UNWANTED EFFECTS SUCH AS NAUSEA WEAKNESS DIZZINESS OR BREATHING DISCOMFORT A FRESH TINCTURE IN A ONE TO THREE RATIO SHOULD ONLY BE USED IN SMALL DOSES AND ONLY UNDER DIRECT SUPERVISION IT SHOULD NOT BE TAKEN REGULARLY ON YOUR OWN AND IT SHOULD NEVER REPLACE OR INTERFERE WITH YOUR IPATROPIUM AND ALBUTEROL WHICH ARE ESSENTIAL FOR YOUR SAFETY

YOUR CURRENT INHALATION MEDICATIONS SHOULD BE CONTINUED AS PRESCRIBED ANY INTEGRATIVE OR AYURVEDIC APPROACH IS MEANT TO SUPPORT THE LUNGS AND NERVOUS CONTROL OF BREATHING OVER TIME NOT TO STOP MODERN MEDICINES SUDDENLY

THE HERBAL SYRUP YOU ARE USING CAN BE CONTINUED IF IT SUITS YOU AND DOES NOT INCREASE HEAVINESS OR PHLEGM IT IS MAINLY SOOTHING AND DOES NOT CONFLICT WITH LONG TERM MANAGEMENT WHEN USED IN MODERATION

FOR AYURVEDIC SUPPORT THE EMPHASIS SHOULD BE ON GENTLE NOURISHING AND STABILIZING MEASURES RATHER THAN STRONG STIMULANTS WARM COOKED FOODS REGULAR MEAL TIMES AND AVOIDANCE OF COLD DRY OR RAW FOODS ARE IMPORTANT SMALL AMOUNTS OF GHEE CAN BE HELPFUL IF DIGESTION IS GOOD AND THERE IS NO EXCESSIVE MUCUS

BREATH PRACTICES SHOULD BE VERY GENTLE WITH FOCUS ON SLOW NASAL BREATHING AND LONG EXHALATION FORCEFUL OR RAPID BREATHING TECHNIQUES SHOULD BE AVOIDED WALKING AT A COMFORTABLE PACE WITH REST AS NEEDED IS BETTER THAN PUSHING THE BODY BEYOND ITS LIMITS

PROTECTING YOUR CHEST AND NECK FROM COLD AIR AND USING HUMIDITY DURING SLEEP CAN REDUCE DAILY IRRITATION AND SHORTNESS OF BREATH

LOBELIA IS NOT RECOMMENDED AS A DAILY OR UNSUPERVISED HERB IN YOUR CASE YOUR CONDITION REQUIRES A STEADY CONSERVATIVE AND INTEGRATED APPROACH CONTINUING YOUR INHALERS AND ADDING ONLY GENTLE SUPPORTIVE MEASURES WITH REGULAR MEDICAL FOLLOW UP THIS APPROACH OFFERS THE BEST CHANCE FOR STABILITY AND BETTER QUALITY OF LIFE OVER TIME

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Don’t worry take Swasakasachitamani ras 1tab bd after food, Kanakasava 20ml bd enough

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Start with Dashamoolakatutrayadhi kashayam 20 ml twice a day after food Shwasakasa chintamani rasa 1-0-1 after food Kantakari avalehyam 1 tsp twice a day after food Take freshly prepared food articles

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Hello Thanks for sharing all that info. I really respect how you’ve handled your asthma for so long. But dont worry we are here to help you out 😊

YOUR CONCERN

Age: 67 Asthma for: About 27 years (since you were 40) How bad is it?Pretty bad, daily shortness of breath. What you’re taking now: Ipratropium + Albuterol nebulizer (twice a day) Nin Jiom Pei Pa Koa (that herbal syrup) Thinking about Lobelia inflata tincture Energy -So-so Triggers: You haven’t found any specific ones.

AYURVEDIC UNDERSTANDING

This really looks like something called Tamaka Shwasa in Ayurveda. Basically, it means:

–A mix of Vata and Kapha imbalances. –Your breathing channels have been messed up for a long time. –Vata naturally goes up as we age. –Your lungs aren’t as stretchy, and there’s ongoing inflammation.

For long-term stuff like yours, Ayurveda aims to: –Keep symptoms in check. –Lessen how often and how bad the attacks are. –Make your lungs stronger. –Just help you live better – not yank you off your modern meds all at once.

ABOUT LOBELIA INFLATA

Lobelia inflata can help open up your airways and perk up your breathing.

But seriously: – It’s a bit tricky to get the dose right. – Too much can make you sick: nausea, throwing up, low blood pressure, heart flutters.

DO NOT mix it with your bronchodilators without someone watching over you.

My suggestion: If you really want to keep using Lobelia, please do it with a qualified herbalist or doctor. Don’t just up the dose yourself. Ayurveda actually has safer things for the long run.

AYURVEDIC PLAN OF TREATMENT

INTERNAL MEDICATION

1.Sitopaladi Churna: Half a teaspoon twice a day with honey. This helps clear Kapha and makes breathing easier.

2.Talisadi Churna: Half a teaspoon twice a day after meals with honey. Good for strengthening lungs and cutting down on chronic coughs and wheezing.

3.Vasavaleha:One teaspoon twice a day. Great for chronic asthma and inflammation in your airways.

4. Chyawanprash (the Vata-friendly kind): One teaspoon in the morning with warm milk or water. It’s like a tonic for your lungs and immune system.

NASYA (Super Important for You)

1 Anu Taila Nasya: Two drops in each nostril, morning, on an empty stomach, five days a week. This lubricates your airways, calms Vata, and protects your lungs.

PANCHAKARMA THERAPY Do this with supervision:

Nadi Sweda: Localized steam on your chest. Mridu Virechana A gentle detox once or twice a year. No strong Vamana for someone your age.

Breathing Exercises (Pranayama) Do these daily on an empty stomach:

* Anulom Vilom: 10 minutes. * Bhramari: 7–9 rounds. * Skip Kapalbhati – it can make asthma worse.

DIET PLAN

INCLUDE * Warm, freshly made food. * Ginger, turmeric, black pepper (a little bit). * Old rice, wheat. * Warm soups.

AVOID * Cold drinks. * Ice cream. * Loads of dairy at night. * Fried, heavy food.

DON’T stop your inhalers suddenly. * The idea is to slowly lower the dose over time, not just quit. * Keep an eye on: * Night symptoms. * How much you rely on your nebulizer. * Shortness of breath when you move around.

If you stick with this Ayurvedic plan:

* Attacks might not be as bad. * You might need your rescue meds less often. * You could sleep better and breathe easier. * Your stamina and lung strength should get better.

When it comes to chronic asthma, it’s about managing it, not fighting it. And you’re doing a lot right already.

Warm Regards Dr. Snehal Vidhate

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From ayurvedic treatment Start with Chyavanprash 2tsp once daily before food with water Bronchogrit 1-0-1 after food with water Swasari ghanvati 1-0-1 after food with water Giloy ghanvati 1-0-1 after food with water Do pranayam lom -vilom bhastrika kapalbhati daily for 5-10mins twice Do Nasya with Anu tel,put 2 drops in both nostril once daily Avoid citrus fruits cold drink icecream sugary foods fried foods. Drink warm water through out the day Have warm turmeric milk at bedtime. Follow up after 21 days

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From ayurvedic treatment Start with Chyavanprash 2tsp once daily before food with water Bronchogrit 1-0-1 after food with water Swasari ghanvati 1-0-1 after food with water Giloy ghanvati 1-0-1 after food with water Do pranayam lom -vilom bhastrika kapalbhati daily for 5-10mins twice Do Nasya with Anu tel,put 2 drops in both nostril once daily Avoid citrus fruits cold drink icecream sugary foods fried foods. Drink warm water through out the day Have warm turmeric milk at bedtime. Follow up after 21 days

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Lobelia is a very strong plant ,it can easily overstimulate the system and make breathing feel worse instead of better especially if taken without close supervision so I would not advise using lobelia tincture on your own or as a regular remedy because the risk is higher than the benefit ,what you are already using gives symptom relief but does not calm the long standing inflammation which is why the problem keeps repeating and what usually helps more at this stage is long term support that soothes the airways reduces irritation and calms the breath without shocking the system slow breathing through the nose avoid cold foods at night keep the chest and neck warm and use mild supportive herbs that are compatible with your inhalers works far better than strong experimental remedies your condition may not fully reverse but it can become much more stable with fewer bad days if the focus is on safety consistency and calming the lungs rather than forcing them open

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1.Chyawanprash 1 tsp with warm milk empty stomach in the morning 2.Sitopladi churna 1 tsp twice daily with honey 3.Kantkari avaleha 1 tsp twice daily with warm milk after meals 4.Kankasava 20 ml with 20 ml water twice daily after meals

🍎 Diet & Lifestyle Tips Avoid cold, heavy foods: Ice cream, cold drinks, fried and oily foods can worsen asthma.

Favor warm, light meals: Soups, khichdi, cooked vegetables, and herbal teas.

Spices for breathing: Small amounts of ginger, black pepper, and turmeric can help clear phlegm.

Breathing practices: Gentle pranayama (like anulom vilom or alternate nostril breathing) can improve lung capacity. Avoid forceful practices if breathless.

Steam inhalation: With tulsi or mint leaves may help relieve congestion.

Regular routine: Consistent sleep and meal times stabilize vata and kapha.

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Can you make a trip to india we have panchakarma procedure that we can do in Asthma. If not start with these set of medicines for 1 month 1. Shitopladi+ talisadi powder 1 tsp each TID with 1 tsp honey 2. Shvasa kuthar rasa 2 BD A F 3. Sadhdharan tab 1TID Follow up after 1 month. Dr Akshay negi MD PANCHAKARMA.

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