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Question #28268
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Nerve problem or How to find out if i have auto immune disease - #28268

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I have been experiencing palpitation all over body and neck pain lower back stiffness and pain all over spine and vibration like feeling. Took all test. CT brain normal Mri spine showed spasm in neck and reduction in lordosis. But all other blood test are normal B12 is 968pg/ml as I was taking b12 tablet for 25 days. Lipid profile all values elevated Liver and renal function test values little elevated. Hbla27 test negative. Ana test poisitive 1+ speckled 1:160. Do I have any auto immune disease or nerve problem or fibromyalgia? I

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From an Ayurvedic perspective, your symptoms—including palpitations, neck and back pain, stiffness, and a vibration-like feeling—combined with the elevated lipid and liver values and a positive ANA test, suggest a significant Vata dosha imbalance. This imbalance is often considered the root cause of many neurological and musculoskeletal issues in Ayurveda. ​Vata Dosha and Your Symptoms ​Vata dosha, composed of the elements of air and space, governs all movement in the body, including nerve impulses, blood circulation, and muscle movements. When Vata becomes aggravated, its dry, cold, and mobile qualities can manifest in symptoms like: ​Vibration-like feeling and palpitations: This is a classic symptom of imbalanced Vata, as it relates to irregular or excessive movement within the body. ​Neck pain, back stiffness, and pain all over the spine: Vata is responsible for nerve function and movement in joints. Its aggravation can lead to stiffness (known as Stambha) and pain (Shoola or Vedana), particularly in the back and neck, which are considered Vata-dominant areas. The spasm and reduced lordosis seen on your MRI are consistent with Vata-induced muscle and nerve issues. ​Fibromyalgia-like symptoms: While Ayurveda doesn’t have a direct equivalent to fibromyalgia, the constellation of widespread pain, stiffness, and fatigue is often addressed as a Vata-driven condition known as Mamsagata Vata (Vata affecting the muscles) or Sandhigata Vata (Vata affecting the joints). ​Nerve problems: The core of many of your symptoms, such as the tingling or vibrating sensations, can be attributed to the vitiation of Vata in the nervous system. ​Other Ayurvedic Considerations ​Elevated Lipid and Liver Values: These can point to an accumulation of Ama (toxins) and an imbalance in Pitta and Kapha doshas, which are responsible for metabolism and fat tissue, respectively. The elevated lipids (Meda Dhatu) suggest that your metabolic “fire” (Agni) is not functioning optimally. ​Autoimmune Connection (Positive ANA Test): In Ayurveda, autoimmune conditions are often linked to a combination of impaired digestion (Manda Agni), toxin buildup (Ama), and a misguided immune response (Ojas imbalance). The body essentially starts attacking its own tissues because Ama has disrupted the normal functioning of the system. While your ANA test is positive, a full diagnosis would require a clinical evaluation. From an Ayurvedic perspective, the focus would be on cleansing the body of Ama and restoring the body’s natural balance. ​B12 Level: The high B12 level is a result of supplementation. While B12 deficiency is known to cause nerve issues, your current level indicates that this is not a contributing factor at the moment. ​Ayurvedic Recommendations ​Ayurveda’s approach would be to address the root cause, which is the Vata imbalance, while also working to clear the Ama and correct the metabolic issues. ​Vata-Pacifying Diet and Lifestyle: Favor warm, moist, and nourishing foods. Avoid cold, dry, and raw foods. Regularize your meal and sleep schedules. Incorporate gentle, grounding activities like walking and meditation. ​Herbal Remedies: Herbs like Ashwagandha (for nerve and muscle health), Bala (for strength and nourishment), and Guggulu (for lipid metabolism and detoxification) might be recommended by an Ayurvedic practitioner. ​Therapies: External therapies like Abhyanga (warm oil massage) and Swedana (herbal steam therapy) are highly effective for pacifying Vata, reducing stiffness, and improving circulation. Panchakarma treatments, particularly Basti (medicated enema), are considered the primary therapy for deep-seated Vata imbalances. ​

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NO NEED TO WORRY,

First of all avoid Vatavardhak ahar vihar like bitter,astringent, spicy food,pea,brinjal, cauliflower etc.

And start taking these medications, 1.Arjuna tab.1-1-1 2.Maharasnadi kwath 15 ml with 30ml of lukewarm water empty stomach twice in a day. 3.Tryaodashang guggulu 2-0-2 for chewing. 4.Tab. Rumalya forte 1-1-1

*Daily Massage your full body with KSHEERBALA TAILAM followed by mild fomentation with DASHMOOL KASHAYAM .

Take care😊

Kind Regards, Dr.Isha Ashok Bhardwaj.

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As you have mentioned speckled 1:160 - it indicates towards autoimmune disease but mainly depends upon the symptoms lik rashes mouth ulcers dryness photosensitivity fatigue joint swelling Once consult rheumatologist n neurologist for proper diagnosis

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As per information provided by you it’s seems to be autoimmune disorder. Avoid sour, fermented food. Regular exercise. Increase intake of raw vegetables and fruits. Cap. Gufispon 2-0-2 Tab. Guduchi 2-0-2 Cap. Stresscom 1-0-1 Tab. Sunthi 2-0-2

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Your situation seems quite complex and it’s important to consider multiple factors in addressing your health concerns. Based on the tests you’ve mentioned, like the positive ANA test, there could be an indication towards an autoimmune condition, but this is not definitive on its own. Also, reduction in cervical lordosis and muscle spasms reflect some structural or muscular issues, possibly originating from poor posture or prolonged stress on the spine.

Fibromyalgia could be a possibility too, especially with symptoms like widespread pain and a vibration-like feeling, however, this is an exclusion diagnosis, meaning it’s diagnosed by ruling out other conditions. It’s crucial to have a thorough evaluation by a rheumatologist or a neurologist to pinpoint the root cause.

From an Ayurvedic perspective, these symptoms might be linked to vata imbalance, affecting movement and nervous system. Consuming a vata-pacifying diet could be beneficial, focusing on warm, cooked foods with healthy oils like sesame or ghee. I would suggest avoiding cold or raw foods, as they can exacerbate vata imbalances.

Incorporating a gentle yoga or stretching routine can aid in restoring balance to vata and improving flexibility in your neck and spine. Pranayama like nadi shodhana (alternate nostril breathing) could help in calming the mind and body.

Consider using Ayurvedic herbs such as Ashwagandha, which is known for its adaptogenic properties and could support the nervous system. It’s important to use them under the guidance of a knowledgeable practitioner.

Regular daily massage, or abhyanga, with warm sesame oil might also provide relief from muscle stiffness and help in calming the nervous system.

Addressing lifestyle factors like stress levels, sleep quality, and incorporating consistent routine can also be very integral. Meanwhile, continue close consultation with western medical healthcare providers to monitor your condition closely. Immediate medical attention may be required if symptoms worsen or new symptoms appear.

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It is mainly due to the curvature change of your spine Start with Cap kaheer bala 1BD A/F Tab Rhumalyan gold 1BD for 15 days than 1OD And definitely go for Physiotherapy learn the exercises from them and Start doing it at home You have to improve your sleep also Take Bhrami vati 2HS

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Since your reports don’t specify any such problems Start with Trayodashang guggul 1-0-1 after food with water Ekangvir ras 1-0-1 after food with water Follow up after 1 month

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Considering the symptoms and test results you’ve shared, you might be experiencing a combination of imbalances according to the Siddha-Ayurvedic perspective. The positive ANA test can indicate an immune system dysfunction, but it’s important to know that a positive ANA test alone isn’t sufficient to diagnose an autoimmune disease. Consulting a medical professional who specializes in autoimmunity might be wise.

Your symptoms of palpitation, vibration-like sensations, and stiffness indicate a potential Vata imbalance. Vata, being responsible for movement and nerve impulses, can be aggravated by stress, irregular routines, or a diet that increases dryness and coldness in the body. Here are some Ayurveda-based practical steps for your condition:

- Begin with Abhyanga (self-oil massage) using warm sesame oil, focusing on your neck and spine. This should be done in the morning before a warm shower to help calm the Vata dosha and reduce stiffness.

- Incorporate a Vata-pacifying diet - warm, cooked meals with ample healthy fats such as ghee. Avoid dry, cold, and raw foods that could exacerbate Vata.

- Herbal supplements like Ashwagandha and Shatavari may help in soothing the nervous system. Take under guidance from a qualified practitioner.

- Sip warm water or herbal teas with ginger and cinnamon throughout the day to support Agni, the digestive fire, which is often crucial for maintaining balance.

However, the combination of test results, particularly the ANA test, necessitates coriander consultation with a specialist to rule out serious conditions. If you experience worsening symptoms or new troublesome signs, consider seeking immediate medical evaluation.

Balancing these aspects in lifestyle will likely aid self-healing, but always coordinate with allopathic treatment when dealing with potential auto-immune concerns.

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HELLO PAVITHRA,

Symptoms= palpitations vibrations in body, neck stiffness, spinal pain, fatigue

MRI= only shows muscle spasm and reduced curvature of the neck -> usually from posture or muscle tension

Blood tests= liver and kidney slightly stressed, cholesterol high

ANA positive (1:160 speckled)- means your immunity may be slightly overactive. It doesn’t confirm an autoimmune disease but means you should be monitored

Fibromyalgia= is a condition where nerves become hypersensitive, leading to wide spread pain, fatigue, sleep disturbance . It does not show up in tests

Autoimmune disease= possible but not confirmed

So, you currently have a combination of metabolic imbalance lipids, liver, vata disturbance (nerve/mucle stiffness, vibrations) and stress-related symptoms

AYURVEDIC UNDERSTANDINGS -Vata dosha (movement, nerves, circulation) is aggraated-> causes vibrations, stiffness, pain -Ama (toxins from weak digestion) is present-> seen as heaviness, pain, metabolic disturbance -Pitta mildly aggravated-> explains liver stress, palpitations -Kapha aggravated in metabolism-> high cholesterol

This condition is Ayurveda is a mixture of -Vatavyadhi (nerve-musculoskeletal disorders) -Ama-vata/Kapha-pitta dushti (metabolic-inflammation overlap)

TREATMENT GOALS -Calm vata-> reduce vibrations, pain, stiffness -clear ama and balance pitta/kapha-> improve liver function, reduce cholestrol -nourish dhatus-> strengthen nerves , muscles, joints -Improve agni-> reduce toxin formation -Stabilize immunity-> prevent autoimmune activation -Improve quality of life-> better sleep, reduced palpitations, more energy

INTERNAL MEDICATIONS

1) ASHWAGANDHA CHURNA= 1 tsp with warm milk at bedtime =for nerve calming, strength anti stress

2) YOGARAJ GUGUGLU= 2 tabs twice daily after meals =for joint stiffness, vata pain, detox

3) TRIPHALA CHURNA= 1 tsp at bedtime with warm water =gentle detox,improves digestion, balances cholesterol

4) BRAHMI GHRITA= 1 tsp in warm milk in morning =for palpitations, mind calming, nerve support

5) PUNARNAVA MANDOOR= 2 tabs twice daily after meals =for liver and kidney support, reduces swelling/toxins

6) AMALAKI RASAYANA= 1 tsp in morning =for immunity regulation, balancing ANA positivity

DURATION= minimum 3-6 months

EXTERNAL THERAPIES

1) OIL MASSAGE with dhanwantaram taila daily

2) Swedana after massage to relax stiffness- mild steaming

3) Shirodhara if palpitations anxiety are sever

4)BASTI (medicated enema)- the best therapy for chronic vata disorders done in clinic

DIET -warm, cooked, light but nourishing meals -mung dal khichdi, vegetables soups, whole grains -use of ghee -spices= ginger, turmeric, cumin, coriander, ajwain -herbal teas= tulsi0ginger, cinnamon, fennel

AVOID -excess oily, fried, junk food -cold, refrigerated, stale food -excess red meat, cheese, refined sugar -caffeine excess, alcohol

LIFESTYLE -Sleep= early, regular sleep pattern -Posture= correct neck/back posture, ergonomic chair, avoid long screen hourd -Stress management= journaling, meditation, gentle music

YOGA ASANAS -bhujangasana= strengthens spine -Makarasana= relaxes back -Setubandhasana= improves circulation -Shavasana= relaxation

PRANAYAM -Nadi sodhana= balance vata -Bhramari= calms palpitations and nerves -Deep diaphragmatic breathing= reduces anxiety

HOME REMEDIES -warm milk with 1/2 tsp turmeric + 1/2 tsp ghee at bedtime -ginger tea with honey -soak 5-7 almonds overnight-> peel-> eat in morning -daily self massage with sesame oil

FURTHER INVESTIGATION TO RULE OUT HIDDEN AUTOIMMUNE DISEASE -repeat ANA profile with ENA panel to see if specific antibodies are positive -ESR, CRP inflammatory markers -Thyroid profile- autoimmune thyroid disease sometimes causes palpitations and ANA positivity -Vitamin D levels - deficiency often worsens fibromylagia

-Right now you do not have confirmed autoimmune disease. Your symptoms are more consistent with fibromyalgia + vata imbalance+ metabolic stress -A positive ANA is 1:160 only means “watchful waiting”- not disease. Many healthy people have this -If you follow ayurvedic vata pacifying lifestyle, detox, diet, and stress reduction, most of your symptoms can improve -PATIENCE IS KEY- fibromyalgia/autoimmune like symptoms often take months to stabilize

DO FOLLOW

HOPE THIS MIGHT BE HELPFUL

THANK YOU

DR. MAITRI ACHARYA

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HELLO PAVITHRA,

I understand your concern- your symptoms, ANA postivieity, and elevated labs can feel confusing

MRI= muscle spasm, reduce lordodis= posture/muscle tension issue, not structural damage

ANA POSITIVE = 1:160 speckled= may suggest autoimmune tendency (like lupus, sjogrens , MCTD). needs correction with symptoms and specialist evaluation

NORMAL HLA-B27= makes ankylosing spondylitis less likely

RAISED LIVER/KIDNEY/LIPID VALUES= lifestyle/metabolic factors may be contributing

FIBROMYALGIA= possible, since your main complaints are widespread pain + vibration feelings, but usually ANA isn’t positive there

So, it’s best to consult rheumatologist + neurologist for final confirmation

AYURVEDIC VIEW Your symptoms resemble vata imbalance with possible ama (toxins/metabolic load). ANA positivity indicates Rakta dhatu involvement (autoimmune tendency)

1) LIFESTYLE DINACHARYA=fix sleep wake up routine, avoid late nights

MILD YOGA= bhujangasana, makarasana, gentle pranayam (anulom vilom, bhramari)

AVOID TRIGERS= cold, dry, raw, processed foods, overexertion

2) DIET -warm, freshly cooked food with ghee, moong dal khichdi, vegetables soups -Favour turmeric, garlic, ginger, ashwagandha, guduchi -avoid excess curd, red meat, fried food, excess coffee/tea

3) MEDICATIONS

-GUDUCHI GHAN VATI= 2 tabs in morning for immune modulator, reduce toxins

-ASHWAGANDHA CHURNA= 1tsp with warm milk in morning and night - nerve strength reduces vata

-DASHMOOLA KASHAYA= 20 ml with warm wtaer before meals

-SIMHANADA GUGGULU= 2 tabs twice daily after meals for joint issues/spine

THANK YOU

DR. HEMANSHU MEHTA

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